Barack Obama Rightly Warns Of Divisive Politics

Barack Obama Rightly Warns Of Divisive Politics

Tod Beeton is a MyDD frontpager who has consistently shown the capacity to look at the presidential primaries from different perspectives. I am not of the opinion that he has some hidden bias or is conspiring to actively support a candidate of choice. With that said, he recently did a FP post entitled, Breaking: Obama Warns Of Divisive Politics which offered a critical analysis of Barack Obama's recent Manchester, New Hampshire Labor Day speech. In this post Tod Beeton concluded that Barack Obama was attacking Hillary Clinton and that such tactics in the past have yielded rising poll numbers for Senator Clinton. Tod Beeton went on to surmise that this was a failing strategy for the Obama campaign and offered the appearance, according to Mr. Beeton, that Obama was reacting to Senator Clinton's lead to drive the terms of the debate. I find Mr. Beeton's analysis, while insightful, to be wrong and a bit misleading and thus I wanted to counter those points he made in his post through my own following assessment.

Mr. Beeton claims in his post the following:

A new way of expressing her [Senator Clinton] theme of experience = change. But while the article portrays the speech [Hillary's 9/2/07 NH Speech] as a response to Obama and Edwards, I see it as more of a taunt. Clinton has seen the pattern -- she is attacked and her poll numbers rise; so why wouldn't she want to invite more?

Is that a correct assumption that Hillary's poll numbers have risen as a consequence of Obama fighting back her misleading rhetoric? Polling data suggest that this is an inaccurate statement and a simple observation of Rasmussen Reports weekly democratic primary poll numbers rebuts Mr. Beeton's claims.

Obama and Clinton's war of words campaign kicked into full gear in late July beginning with the following exchange at the CNN/Youtube Debate in Charleston, South Carolina:

CLINTON: . . . I happen to agree that there is no military solution, and the Iraqis refuse to pursue the political solutions. In fact, I asked the Pentagon a simple question: Have you prepared for withdrawing our troops? In response, I got a letter accusing me of being unpatriotic; that I shouldn't be asking questions.

Well, one of the problems is that there are a lot of questions that we're asking but we're not getting answers from the Bush administration.

COOPER: Time.

CLINTON: And it's time for the Republicans to join us in standing up to the president to bring our troops home.

(A little later in the debate)

OBAMA: Our soldiers have done everything that's been asked of them. They deposed Saddam Hussein.

They have carried out extraordinarily difficult missions with great courage and great bravery.

But, you know, one thing I have to say about Senator Clinton's comments a couple of moments ago. I think it's terrific that she's asking for plans from the Pentagon, and I think the Pentagon response was ridiculous. But what I also know is that the time for us to ask how we were going to get out of Iraq was before we went in.

(APPLAUSE)

And that is something that too many of us failed to do. We failed to do it. And I do think that that is something that both Republicans and Democrats have to take responsibility for.

When I am president of the United States, when I send our troops into battle, I am going to be absolutely sure that it is based on sound intelligence, and I'm going to tell the truth to the American people, as well as the families who are being asked to sacrifice.

Part I: CNN/YouTube Democratic presidential debate transcript

That exchange marked a turning point for the Obama campaign because it set in motion a chain of events that has allowed Senator Obama to draw clear lines of contrast between he and Senator Clinton. Most importantly, it allowed Senator Obama to finally begin closing the door on the free pass that the corporate media and some in the netroots blogosphere has provided Hillary Clinton on her past 2002 Iraq War authorization vote. Kathleen Turner of Real Clear Politics said it best in her June 6th editorial 'Bush's War' Is Clinton's Rewrite:

Hillary Clinton's remark during Sunday night's Democratic presidential debate that Iraq is "George Bush's war" may be interpreted as either brilliant strategy or desperate deflection.

. . . "The differences among us are minor. The differences between us and the Republicans are major," she said.

. . . The 90-page NIE report was made available to all 100 senators 10 days before the Senate vote.

If she had read the whole report, could Clinton have voted as she did? If she didn't read it, can she now claim that she was misled? Van Natta and Gerth quoted Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., then the vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, as saying that only six (unnamed) senators had read the complete report.

Whatever Clinton thinks she thought, her vote and words do not accurately reflect what she now insists she meant.

Obama was now shutting down the notion that Senator Clinton had no culpability in the worst foreign policy decision in U.S. history. Obama's actions infuriated Senator Clinton and thus lead to her erroneous "Bush-Cheney lite" foreign diplomacy comments in an attempt to hit back at Obama.

CLINTON: Well, I will not promise to meet with the leaders of these countries during my first year.

. . . we're not going to just have our president meet with Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez and, you know, the president of North Korea, Iran and Syria until we know better what the way forward would be.

The corporate media and Senator Clinton went on a tyrade to paint Barack Obama as "inexperienced" and "naive" and completely ignored Clinton falling on her own sword on August 2nd regarding the use of nuclear weapons (see included youtube). This lead to Hillary's rise after the CNN/Youtube debates on July 23. Rasmussen Reports showed that from 7/23 to 8/06, Hillary Clinton went from a stagnating 38% to an astounding 44% and most pundits concluded as a result that she was headed to the inevitable 50% territory.

Hillary Clinton's unstoppable rise in the polls came to a screeching halt after Obama's superior performance at the AFL-CIO presidential forum on August 7th in Chicago, Illinois. During this debate he put the brakes on the corporate media's false narratives, Hillary Clinton's Washington insider friendly foreign policy, and the Clinton/Dodd senior Senatorial experience mythology.

OBAMA: Well, look, I find it amusing that those who helped to
authorize and engineer the biggest foreign policy disaster in our
generation are now criticizing me...
(APPLAUSE)
... for making sure that we are on the right battlefield and not
the wrong battlefield in the war against terrorism.
(APPLAUSE)
Chris, respectfully -- and you and I are close friends -- but the
fact is: You obviously didn't read my speech. Because what I said
was that we have to refocus, get out of Iraq, make certain that we are
helping Pakistan deal with the problem of Al Qaida in the hills
between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

OBAMA: But, Chris, if we have actionable intelligence on Al
Qaida operatives, including bin Laden, and President Musharraf cannot
act, then we should. Now, I think that's just common sense.

. . . But the fact of the matter is that when we don't talk to the
American people -- we're debating the most important foreign policy
issues that we face, and the American people have the right to know.
It is not just Washington insiders that are part...

AFL-CIO Forum Transcript

That direct confrontation between Obama and Clinton resulted in Clinton's poll numbers diving from an all time Rasmussen high of 44% during the week of 8/06 to a more normal 40% during the following week of 8/13.

Obama continued to aggressively draw these contrasts on the campaign trail and that lead to his best debate performance to date during the last DNC sanctioned primary debate hosted by ABCNews in Iowa on August 19th. He defended himself against the three headed juggernaut of Clinton, Dodd and Biden's insistence that senior Senate experience is the key to an effective presidency.

. . . earlier on we were talking about the issue of experience. Nobody had more experience than Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and many of the people on this stage that authorized this war.

(APPLAUSE)

And it indicates how we get into trouble when we engage in the sort of conventional thinking that has become the habit in Washington.

- Barack Obama at the 8/19 Iowa Debate

This direct confrontation between Obama and Clinton again lead to another dip in poll numbers for Senator Clinton. After the 8/19 primary debate, Clinton's Rasmussen numbers went from 41% on 8/20 to 39% on 8/27. So Tod Beeton is clearly wrong in suggesting that Obama should not contrast himself with Senator Clinton on the campaign trail.

One final point I would make is that events to date clearly contradict Mr. Beeton's other claim that Clinton is driving the debate. Obama took the lead on negotiating with our adversaries and forced Senator Clinton to clarify her stance on diplomacy. Obama defined Washington experience as repeating the same mistakes that lead us to war in 2003 and Senator Clinton has reacted with her recent "experience + change" meme that Mr. Beeton gave the Clinton campaign high praise for. I will also note that Senator Clinton debuted this new platform after Governor Richardson first introduce the notion as representative of himself during the 8/19 democratic primary debate where he said, "I think Senator Obama does represent change and Senator Clinton has the experience. With me you get both. [Applause]"

So I would argue that Senator Clinton is not driving the car at all. She is just a passenger and the license plate on the car she is in is registered to a resident in Illinois name Barack Obama.


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Advantage goes to Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Whether it is talking about foreign policy and Washington style politcs, Hillary Clinton comes off as sounding pragmatic, while Obama and Edwards sound idealistic.  This works to her advantage with your average voter who are not off on idealistic crusades, but simply want a government that works well.

Her pragmatism dove tails nicely with her assertion that she is strong in the face of challenge (whether from the GOP, or a foreign nation), and that she is the most experienced candidate.  Idealistic types will touch many as being nice people with good hearts, but as unable to make things happen in the real world.

I think Clinton also gets  a boost because I think after 8 years of George Bush most Democrats simply want to focus on winning the WHite House and starting to undo the damage caused by Bush.  I don't think most voters have any other higher purpose than that.

Lastly, it certainly doesn't hurt that traditional primary voters don't mind red meat. They like it.  So while talk of a new high minded style of politics may strike a chord with a few, sticking a knife in the backs of Republicans and turning it will register with far more.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 12:07:17 PM EST

FDR, JFK and LBJ Were Idealistic.... (2.00 / 2)

...and understood very well how government worked.  Even Richard Nixon was idealistic on several initiatives by today's standards.

If Mrs. Clinton's "pragmatism" is supposed to be a virtue, well then I could do without.  I prefer someone who has big ideas AND knows how to implement them and I will be so presumptuous to say that most of the electorate would like the same.  Telling voters to downsize expectations is certainly no selling point for a candidate.  And treating voters like their only expectation should be to change the name on the lease at 1600 Penn. is outright condescension.


by Grand Poobah on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:03:03 PM EST
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Frankly I don't see any big ideas or any FDRs (none / 0)

I really don't see any big ideas.  I hear a lot of big talk.  That is about it.

However, assuming there is real substance buried in the talk, the fact is it is not registering with the majority of voters.   Why do you think that is?

What is Obama, or Edwards, going to do to change that fact?  

Talk is cheap.  At the end of the day it comes down to math.

By the way if there was an FDR or a JFK in the race they would be far ahead.   Cream rises to the top.  They wouldn't be mired far back in 2nd or 3rd place.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:48:24 PM EST
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"Cream Rises to the Top" (none / 0)

I do hope you're not using this trite saying if talking about politics to any children or college age young adults. You'd really have some time explaining why the Bush Family occupied the White House during most years of their lives.


by Grand Poobah on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 07:31:55 PM EST
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Fact (none / 0)

Both Bush's won the nomination because they had the delegates.  No other Republican could beat them that year.

If Lincoln or someother famous Republican ran, they were toast.

Back to your post.  There is not FDR, JFk in the race this year.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:47:55 PM EST
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Re: Advantage goes to Hillary Clinton (1.00 / 1)

A strong woman doesn't sell her soul to a media mogul as Hillary has done.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 07:54:09 PM EST
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You signature . . . (none / 0)

I take it that it is suppose to be a snark.

Hillary/Murdoch 08

A merging of two bad ideas for the democratic party eh?


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 07:56:55 PM EST
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Puh-lease. (none / 0)

Clintons have all the money they need.  Save the drama.  A max contribution equals selling your soul?   Sheesh.  How many times have Clinton, Biden, Obama, Dobb, Edwards, Richardson, etc. "sold their sou" according to you?  

Answer: lots


by dpANDREWS on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:50:44 PM EST
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when you say pragmatic, you mean... (none / 0)

that she sounds like george bush?  that she's touting the same old bush > clinton > bush policies?  do you mean centrist?  dlc-like?  bush-lite?

here's a clue: the policies of the bush > clinton > bush era didn't work.  president clinton, because of their distraction by the psychodrama, ended a 50-year old foreign policy consensus on non-nuclear proliferation.  there's no reason to think that hillary will be exempt from the psychodrama or be more focused on our national security than her husband.

hillary stupidly -- and lets not underestimate the PROFOUND STUPIDITY of her vote -- believe george bush and saddam hussein.  her lack of judgment in voting to invade iraq was monumental, clearly the most important vote she has made since she's been in the senate.  hillary hasn't exactly shown sound judgment in her 15 years in the public eye, and while her supporters don't mind her devotion to the bush doctrine and her defense of the presidential prerogative as long as they are bought off by clinton economics, she clearly represents a step backward, harkening back to the 20th century.

we need a 21st century president...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 08:08:12 AM EST
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Bush's policies are not Clinton's (none / 0)

To equate what Bush has done in almost 7 years to what Bill Clinton accomplished and what Hillary Clinton has worked for in the Senate is desperate and sad, and really uninformed.


by dpANDREWS on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 09:52:13 AM EST
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i've offered people the opportunity to prove... (none / 0)

that hillary's record is different than bush's on the issues that are important to me, and there's been no takers.  i understand that hillary's supporters are rhetorically-rich (they depend on hope) and light on facts.

the fact that you can't handle the truth says more about you than it does about anyone else...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 02:19:40 PM EST
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The issues that matter to you? (none / 0)

Legalizing hemp?


by dpANDREWS on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 04:42:58 PM EST
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Re: The issues that matter to you? (none / 0)

as i've said before:

- the iraq war and the distraction from the war on a distributed terrorist threat

  • you can add to that the next quadrennial review, if you like
  • the bush doctrine
  • (another, but related:) upholding the just war tradition
  • the balance of power, aka curtailing the presidential prerogative
  • transparency and accountability in government, at all levels

those are the things i tend to vote on...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 05:38:40 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Rightly (none / 0)

This Tod Beeten dude is related to Jerome...They both share an extreme hatred toward Obama...MyDD has a bunch of pro-Hillary/anti-obama FT.

Anyway , what's up with Rasmussen report?...no daily/weekly national poll today?


by JaeHood on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 12:54:06 PM EST

Everyone has their own point of view. (2.00 / 1)

I definitely would not call Tod Beeton's views as a form of hatred if you consider the body of his work.  With said, just like you I also have found his recent post on Obama to be misleading.

Ultimately, it is up to the individual readers' to form their own conclusions.

As for Rasmussen, maybe they are taking an extended break following Labor Day or something.  Who knows?


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 12:59:44 PM EST
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rasmussen (none / 0)

they've released some polls this morning , so i doubt they're taking a break.


by JaeHood on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 02:20:57 PM EST
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Re: Everyone has their own point of view. (none / 0)

Actually, they don't poll during a holiday weekend, so there is nothing to report.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:03:13 AM EST
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To be fair... (none / 0)

... he's written some pro-Obama pieces as well.

And his name is Todd, with two Ds...


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 01:10:32 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Rightly (none / 0)

Rasmussen has some McCain/Edwards mathups and general election numbers for Arizona.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 02:08:32 PM EST
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Barack Obama (2.00 / 2)

This is a far better analogy of what Barack Obamas new strategy is and I appreciate the clarification.

As far as the perceived bias against Barack Obama by some , I too will not delve into accusations and conspiracy theory, but I will say this;

I find it amusing that the same scrutiny has not been afforded to John Edwards who has also come out strong against Hillary Clinton and attempted to draw the distinction between the two.

I find that very interesting.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 01:19:20 PM EST

Hmm. Interesting point . . . (2.00 / 1)

and possibly worth exploring.


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 01:29:30 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama (none / 0)

I think a point is that we are now at the labor day and beyond point and while Clinton and Edwards seem to making new points, Obama seems to be saying the same old things.


by reasonwarrior on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:19:31 PM EST

I ask that you make that point. (none / 0)

Senator Obama clearly was not saying the same thing as everybody else in 2002.  He is clearly not saying the same thing on his presidential ethics reform agenda as everybody else.  He is clearly not saying the same thing as everybody else when it comes to his recent views on US foreign policy and finally, he is clearly not saying the same thing as everybody else when it comes to the issue of experience.

You could very well make a similar argument for John Edwards.

As for Hillary Clinton . . . your turn.  How is she saying something different?


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by lovingj on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:30:02 PM EST
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Re: I ask that you make that point. (none / 0)

Clinton is only stating change needs to have experience.  What difference is that?  Her vulnerability is that she is not looked upon as the change candidate.  Now she is trying to work that along with the experience tag.  If that will work, we will see.


by caroline becker on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:55:14 PM EST
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and she would be wrong... (none / 0)

change doesn't need experience.  did mlk have experience?  rosa parks?

it would be astounding if democrats bought hillary as a change agent, given that her experience reflects the kinds of things that we are trying to change from: secrecy, bone-headed decisions, stubbornly clinging in the belief that one is right...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 08:12:34 AM EST
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Re: I ask that you make that point. (none / 0)

Hillary introduced a new theme "change plus experience" to her campaign over the weekend- it's different from what she's been saying.  Hey, I like Obama, the last thing I want is Edwards leaping over him because I don't think he deserves it and I feel he's the world's biggest hypocrite and I feel Obama is sincere and I would have no problem supporting him if he does get the nomination.  But if he keeps saying the same old things, people are going to stop paying attention to him- Edwards is now getting more press than Obama and I think one reason is he is not saying anything new for anyone to write about.


by reasonwarrior on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 07:40:23 PM EST
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A new theme? (none / 0)

How about Bill Richardson's theme and she copied it to counter Obama's argument that Washington experience leads to bad judgment.

I think you are trying too hard to counter my argument because you are not offering proof of Clinton's so called different things that makes her stand out from Obama.


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 07:53:03 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama (none / 0)

hillary spent the last month calling everything Obama said essientially so new it is 'niave' your comment is so two msm frames ago - Obama long ago shed his empty suit


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 05:09:46 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama (none / 0)

Hillary has been playing 'follow the leader' since she began. It's  almost comical to watch, and yet the media keeps giving her a pass.

It is so refreshing to see someone finally calling it what it is.. and how nice that someone actually remembers that she took that 'experience and change - with me you get both' line straight from Bill Richardson at the debate.

What is frightening is, the media did the same kind of spin jobs in 2000 and 2004, and if the public is stupid enough to fall for it again, we deserve to get what we've gotten the past 7 years.  

I also find it interesting that John Edwards is not held to the same scrutiny, but I appreciate finally hearing an honest, unbiased observation about the reality of what is going on.


by bklynsam on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 06:36:34 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama (2.00 / 4)

I have recently made my decision to support Barack Obama in the primaries.  I've bought my T-shirts and bumper stickers at the Obama store, I've signed up as an Obama volunteer in my California congressional district.  In short, I'm fired up and ready to go!

Why?  I have always voted for Democrats since my conversion from my Republican upbringing, starting with Hubert Humphrey in 1968.  But I have never had the inclination to volunteer for anyone until now.  This is not only because I am so saddened by what's happened over the last 7 years of the Republican monarchy, but also because I believe that with Obama there is a real chance to have not just a good president (like Clinton and Edwards might well be), but a truly great president.  Would he be a great president - who knows?  But I certainly see the potential for that, and it gives me hope that we can have a president that will speak to the American people with real talk and discussion, and not just feed us Pablum in a condescending manner, or try to manipulate our thoughts.

Another point.  I live in California, the largest state in the union in population.  Our primary is February 5.  We have seen little campaigning here (other than fundraisers to tap into our wealth).  I have not seen one yard sign, not one political button.  The only bumper stickers I see other than the one that I put on my car yesterday are remnants from the 2004 election.  The local news on our TV stations has zero election coverage.  Nobody gives a damn yet on election specifics other than the political junkies.  Obama has put out many policy specifics (as have other candidates), and 99.5% of the people in the country don't even know that they exist (including some of the supporters of other candidates on this blog).

So I think that to say that the numbers might not change just because it is now after Labor Day may be wishful thinking for some.  Labor Day is the beginning of the campaign and not the end.

Now it may be that I am setting myself up for another disappointment in my support of one of the only candidates that I have seen in years in whom I really believe.  I am certainly not young, and I have what I think is a healthy combination of cynicism, skepticism, and naivete.  But I'm going to damn well work as hard as I can for my candidate.

If in the end, the primary winner is Clinton or Edwards, or a dark horse, I will change my bumper sticker and carry on to the general election with a heavier burden of cynicism and skepticism, and a bit less hope.


by oldliberal on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 06:50:29 PM EST

Inspiring post. (none / 0)

Good job and well written.  Could have even been a diary on its own.


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 06:54:16 PM EST
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Re: Inspiring post. (none / 0)

Thanks!  Perhaps I will expand it and post a diary.


by oldliberal on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 07:30:05 PM EST
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Obama Needs Divisive (2.00 / 1)

Politics.

I realize he wouldn't have any chance at all if he didn't maximize every advantage, but I, for one, can see through it.

You see, from my point of view, Obama, Elizabeth, John, and Michelle want to have it both ways on Republican Attacks on the Clintons from the 90s.

Those attacks should either be refuted or one should be brave enough to speak their mind about how those attacks were legitimate.  Being soft on the issue and equivocating about how it's not really some people's fault, but it's there and all that, mealy mouthed condemnation while building a case why the thing they're trying to condemn is a good reason why they should be elected.

Anyway. Obama is totally fine with divisive Politics when it works in his favor.

He's very pragmatic that way.


by Edgar08 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 06:14:51 AM EST

the dominant frame on hillary is clearly... (none / 0)

right-wing.  understand that hillary does not control her public image and, in fact, when she fights back, she feeds the right-wing frame, isn't divisive.  it's just reality.

you may choose to ignore the fact that the national environment is tilted against hillary.  but some of us would like to win the white house in 2008...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 08:17:35 AM EST
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You're Either Against Divisive Politics (2.00 / 1)

Or You're not.

You can't claim to both be against it and then make a Political benefit from it.

It really is just as simple as that..


by Edgar08 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 09:07:07 AM EST
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obama says he's against it... (none / 0)

which probably explains why he opposes hillary.  hillary is clearly the most divisive politician on the national stage today, and her presidency promises nothing other than a continuation of the 15-year period of bitterly divisive politics in america...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 02:21:21 PM EST
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